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Bear
05-27-2009, 09:02 AM
05/26/09
By Chris Haft / MLB.com


Infielder's maiden stint in bigs ends; Torres activated from DL


SAN FRANCISCO -- Jesus Guzman's much-anticipated stint with the Giants lasted exactly five days, as they optioned him and his heralded bat Tuesday to Triple-A Fresno to clear roster room for outfielder Andres Torres, who was activated from the 15-day disabled list.

Guzman, 24, aroused curiosity by batting .363 in 39 games for Fresno on the heels of hitting .412 in Spring Training. But he remains a work in progress defensively. That factor, along with the Giants' realization that they can man first base adequately with Travis Ishikawa, Pablo Sandoval and Rich Aurilia, prompted San Francisco to return Guzman to Triple-A for further seasoning.

"This guy doesn't have a year at Triple-A yet," Giants manager Bruce Bochy said. "It's best for him go to down there and play every day, continue to work on his defense and see Triple-A pitching. We're not in a position to throw him out there every day and give him enough time ... to get settled in to see Major League pitching. Coming off the bench and playing once in a while is not going to help his progress as a Major League player."

Nevertheless, Bochy believed that Guzman, whose contract was purchased from Fresno last Thursday when catcher Steve Holm was optioned there, benefited from his brief time in the Majors.

"He earned this," Bochy said. "For him to get that initial callup done and over with and have an idea what it's like up here, now you take away the unknown factor and he has an idea."

Guzman indeed sounded aware of what he must do to stick in the big leagues.

"I'm going to keep working so I can play here for a long time," Guzman said.

Torres, who strained his left hamstring in an April 27 game against Los Angeles, hit .297 (11-for-37) in 10 games on his injury rehabilitation assignment, including .370 (10-for-27) in seven games with Fresno. He appeared in nine games before being injured, hitting .222 (2-for-9) with one home run.

My guess is we will see very little of Mr. Guzman in the future. He is not the answer for anything except DH.:shakehead:

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 11:54 AM
Saw that this morning in the newspaper.

Not sure but if the guy can't field at this point in his career is there any chance at all? I don't think so. If you haven't got it at this level by now it seems hard to get it.

McCovey
05-27-2009, 12:44 PM
I still can't find any scouting reports about Guzman's defense. There are lots of defensively challenged major leaguers. If Guzman's best role is DH then the Giants should really push to trade Guzman while his trade value is high which is right now. Several AL teams really need a DH.

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 01:11 PM
The Bear is our major scout and he says Guzman's defense is atrocious. :eek:

Bear
05-27-2009, 01:46 PM
The Bear is our major scout and he says Guzman's defense is atrocious. :eek:

There are little league first baseman who field better. You can see it in the faces of the other infielders who seem afraid to throw to him.:shakehead:

McCovey
05-27-2009, 04:08 PM
There are little league first baseman who field better. You can see it in the faces of the other infielders who seem afraid to throw to him.:shakehead:
O, but what makes Guzman atrocious? No range? Bad footwork? Bad hands? :confused:

Bear
05-27-2009, 04:24 PM
O, but what makes Guzman atrocious? No range? Bad footwork? Bad hands? :confused:

All of the above. He just can't field. He is the original stone glove.:eek:

McCovey
05-27-2009, 04:54 PM
All of the above. He just can't field. He is the original stone glove.:eek:
Seriously? Wow.

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 04:59 PM
I say we lynch him at sundown over at the old oak tree.

McCovey
05-27-2009, 05:02 PM
I say we lynch him at sundown over at the old oak tree.
:pound:Heee-Hawww!

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 05:42 PM
Is there anybody out there who can help this team?

McCovey
05-27-2009, 05:43 PM
Is there anybody out there who can help this team?
Kid,

Read this new thread I started!

http://sfgiants-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=727

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 05:49 PM
I read it. We need to get a guy like that. How? I have no idea.

McCovey
05-27-2009, 05:58 PM
I read it. We need to get a guy like that. How? I have no idea.
The Giants need to put a package together. It would probably start with Madison Bumgarner most likely. It would depend on how many players the Padres are seeking?

Bear
05-27-2009, 06:28 PM
I say we lynch him at sundown over at the old oak tree.

His name is not Tom Dooley!:nono:

Bear
05-27-2009, 06:36 PM
The Giants need to put a package together. It would probably start with Madison Bumgarner most likely. It would depend on how many players the Padres are seeking?

This is where I draw the line. No to trading Bumgarner. They can have Sanchez, Zito (we pay half), Wilson, and any pitcher in the minors except Bumgarner or Alderson. Package two of these with a prospect other than Posey or a older position player on the ML roster. ;)

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 06:58 PM
You have to give value to get value Mr. Bear.

McCovey
05-27-2009, 07:07 PM
This is where I draw the line. No to trading Bumgarner. They can have Sanchez, Zito (we pay half), Wilson, and any pitcher in the minors except Bumgarner or Alderson. Package two of these with a prospect other than Posey or a older position player on the ML roster. ;)
The Padres won't go for that. They will want a front line prospect, not the Giants scrubs. Either Bumgarner or Alderson would have to go. I would trade Bumgarner and Brandon Crawford.

Bear
05-27-2009, 07:13 PM
The Padres won't go for that. They will want a front line prospect, not the Giants scrubs. Either Bumgarner or Alderson would have to go. I would trade Bumgarner and Brandon Crawford.

Crawford yes, but no way Bumgarner. You do not trade that type of arm. Remember you really only have two fifths of a rotation that we all like past this season.:nono:

SF Kid
05-27-2009, 09:11 PM
You have to give value to get value Mr. Bear.;)

Bear
05-27-2009, 09:15 PM
;)

Kid = Out of his mind!

SF Kid
05-28-2009, 08:37 AM
Mr. Bear wants other teams to lay down and give good players away and get garbage in return. Sure. That's just how it works. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Bear
05-28-2009, 10:01 AM
No, but you just don't give away an arm's like these two guys have.:nono:

McCovey
05-28-2009, 11:49 AM
Lets' look at at Miguel Cabrera trade from a few years ago. The Marlins traded Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers and got six players in return. Now, let's look at Adrian Gonzales. You have a 27 year old power hitting first baseman who plays gold glove caliber defense and currently leads the majors with 18 HRs. He plays in a terrible hitter's park. Here are his splits:

home: .259/.364/.459, 5 HR, 12 RBI, 12 R
road: .310/.406/.782, 13 HR, 22 RBI, 23 R

Cehck out that slugging percentage on the road! A .782 Slg %? Are you kidding me? :eek:

If the Padres do trade Gonzales they will want a boat load of prospects. Not Barry Zito. Not Jonathan Sanchez. I'm a big fan of Madison Bumgarner. He has been great so far in the minors. But if we can get someone like Adrian Gonzales to man first base for the next 10 years you have to at least consider trading Bumgarner.


Post 2,600!

Bear
05-28-2009, 11:57 AM
Lets' look at at Miguel Cabrera trade from a few years ago. The Marlins traded Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis to the Tigers and got six players in return. Now, let's look at Adrian Gonzales. You have a 27 year old power hitting first baseman who plays gold glove caliber defense and currently leads the majors with 18 HRs. He plays in a terrible hitter's park. Here are his splits:

home: .259/.364/.459, 5 HR, 12 RBI, 12 R
road: .310/.406/.782, 13 HR, 22 RBI, 23 R

Cehck out that slugging percentage on the road! A .782 Slg %? Are you kidding me? :eek:

If the Padres do trade Gonzales they will want a boat load of prospects. Not Barry Zito. Not Jonathan Sanchez. I'm a big fan of Madison Bumgarner. He has been great so far in the minors. But if we can get someone like Adrian Gonzales to man first base for the next 10 years you have to at least consider trading Bumgarner.

If you can get him to sign on for 10 years at a figure that does not put a freeze on other players contracts ie. BIG TIM I would consider it.

TkleMstr52
06-02-2009, 12:41 AM
Good point Bear!!! I say pass on this guy, we are in another "pitchers" park.