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McCovey
04-22-2008, 06:09 PM
Man, Larry Wayne Jones is white hot right now.


Sunday, April 20, 2008
Chipper Jones in complete control

Chipper Jones watched videotape of Chad Billingsley early Saturday afternoon, pausing for a moment to consider this question, among others: What has he learned about hitting that he didn't know a decade ago? "I've always watched videotape," Jones said, "but back then, it was more so watching myself. I was mostly concerned with my mechanics, making sure I was sound. That was stupid, on my part." When he watches videotape now, he focuses on opposing pitchers, to pick up possible tendencies: What does a pitcher like to throw in a given ball-strike count? If he likes to throw his offspeed pitch in a 2-0 count, what pitch is it, and what kind of location might he aim for? When he throws a fastball, what kind of fastball will he throw -- a cutter, perhaps, or a sinker that veers away from a left-handed hitter. "I'm sitting here watching a tape of Billingsley pitching against the Padres," Jones said, "against Adrian Gonzalez, Brian Giles and Jim Edmonds. Those are three left-handed hitters who are a lot like me, and so, I'm basically looking to get a feel of what he likes to do against them." Jones figures that he has a better recognition of the relative strengths of opposing starting pitchers, of "staying within himself. There are some pitchers that I'm going to face that I'm probably not going to take deep." So he might go into a game with a plan to grind out his at-bats against a given starting pitcher -- generally looking to drive the ball through the middle, or the other way. If the ball-strike count turns in his favor, well, then he can take his shot. But against certain pitchers, he says, he "won't try to swing from the heels." Scouts watching Jones so far see a hitter who is completely in control, even in at-bats when the pitcher seems to have an advantage. "Even when he's fooled, he does a great job of keeping his hands back," one scout said. Billingsley had excellent stuff Saturday, and Jones drew a walk and pulled a single through the right side of the Dodgers' infield, adding to his staggering early-season numbers (http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=3006):

He's hitting .449, with a .487 on-base percentage.
He has just seven strikeouts in 69 at-bats.
He's hitting .486 after getting ahead in the count 1-0.
He is hitting .750 (6-for-8) when swinging with a count of 2-0 or 3-1, which means that when he's getting a pitch to hit, he's killing the ball.
He is hitting .586 (17-for-29) with runners on base and .688 with runners at first base only, which means he has been able to do what he did Saturday against the Dodgers -- pull the ball through the first-base hole.
He has been more aggressive in his at-bats this season, averaging 3.22 pitches per plate appearance; interestingly, the best seasons of his career have come when he's averaged fewer pitchers per plate appearance, in general.

Chuck James filled in capably (http://www.ajc.com/braves/content/sports/braves/stories/2008/04/19/braves_0420.html) for the Braves on Saturday, writes David O'Brien. You get the feeling that this is rope-a-dope time for the Braves: If they are to keep up with the others in the division, they need to find a way to survive this period, a time when Tom Glavine and Rafael Soriano and other members of their pitching staff are down. If I were sitting in the Atlanta front office, I'd read these quotes (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/19/AR2008041901925.html) from Mike Hampton and would assume, for planning's sake, that I'd get exactly zero innings and zero wins out of him this year.


Jones is at .453/.488/.747, 6 HR, 16 R, 19 RBI. Wow.

Bear
04-22-2008, 06:15 PM
Do you think he is going to make the HOF?

McCovey
04-22-2008, 11:26 PM
Do you think he is going to make the HOF?
Absolutely. He's already one of the 5-6 greatest third basemen in major league history.

Mike Schmidt
George Brett
Eddie Matthews
Wade Boggs
Frank Baker

Chipper is probably in the Boggs-Baker range. But he is still producing and he's only 35. He should move up on the list. He could crank out out 500 HRs, plus he's a career .300 hitter and his career on base percentage is over .400. He's won an MVP award and was a key memeber of the Atlanta Braves long run. He's weakness has been his defense. Chipper's defense lags behind the top five list I think.

I wanted to ask you and the Kid how good was Eddie Matthews? I ws too young to have seen him play. Though I did meet him briefly at a baseball card show in the early 1990s. I was shocked to see how small he was. He must have had some quick wrists to crank out all those HRs.

Bear
04-23-2008, 12:17 AM
Absolutely. He's already one of the 5-6 greatest third basemen in major league history.

Mike Schmidt
George Brett
Eddie Matthews
Wade Boggs
Frank Baker

Chipper is probably in the Boggs-Baker range. But he is still producing and he's only 35. He should move up on the list. He could crank out out 500 HRs, plus he's a career .300 hitter and his career on base percentage is over .400. He's won an MVP award and was a key memeber of the Atlanta Braves long run. He's weakness has been his defense. Chipper's defense lags behind the top five list I think.

I wanted to ask you and the Kid how good was Eddie Matthews? I ws too young to have seen him play. Though I did meet him greifly at a baseball card show in the early 1990s. I was shocked to see how small he was. He must have had some quick writs to crank out all those HRs.

Eddie Matthews was a great player and was a driving force on the Braves. If I had to choose between Jones and Matthews it would not be a close call for me. Matthews hands down was the better all around player. All the great things you have heard about Eddie were true.:beerbang:

SF Kid
04-23-2008, 07:13 AM
I like Eddie a lot. He was feared to be sure. He had plenty of moments against the Giants I would rather not talk about. Great player.

Again it's so hard to compare players of different eras. All you have are the stats and as we know stats can be misconstrued especially when comparing different eras.

McCovey
04-23-2008, 12:59 PM
I like Eddie a lot. He was feared to be sure. He had plenty of moments against the Giants I would rather not talk about. Great player.

Again it's so hard to compare players of different eras. All you have are the stats and as we know stats can be misconstrued especially when comparing different eras.
I've always said statistical analysis is only the beginning of understanding and comparing ballplayers. I also look at contemporary accounts, read what fans, writers and other ballplayers said about a player. From my readings Matthews was a great all-around player. He was considered a "slight disappoint" in the sense that he was a monster player in his early and mid 20s and was projected as someone that could possibly hit 700 HRs. Not only did he not hit 700 HRs but he was overshadowed by a teammate who did. Through age 29 Matthews was a great player. But then he hit a wall in his 30s it seems. He simply was not the player in his 30s that he was in his 20s. In my mind that's what keeps him behind Mike Schmidt and George Brett, two players that continued to be HoF players in their 30s. But I know many people that do rank Matthews ahead of Brett anyway.

Bear
04-23-2008, 01:31 PM
But I know many people that do rank Matthews ahead of Brett anyway.

I would be one of those people. My list would be:

1. Mike Schmidt, one of my all time favorites
2. Eddie Matthews

McCovey
04-23-2008, 02:57 PM
Michael Jack Schmidt was one of my favorites as a kid growing up in the late 1970s.

McCovey
05-08-2008, 10:27 AM
Man, Chipper Jones continues to pound the ball!

.429/.481/.729, 10 HR, 29 RBI, 23 R, 7 doubles

McCovey
06-13-2008, 12:59 AM
Man, Chipper is still hitting .414! Wow. :bowdone: