Nationals vs. Giants 7/22 - 7/24

[Bear]

Tuesday, July 22 AT&T Park | 7:15 PM PT

Jason Bergmann, RHP (1-6, 4.03) Nationals (38-61) @ Barry Zito, LHP (4-12, 5.62) Giants (40-58)

Scouting Report:

Nationals: Bergmann pitched nearly lights-out for seven innings Thursday against Arizona. The right-hander didn't even allow a hit until the fourth, and he surrendered just two runs over the outing. He struck out three in his fifth straight quality start but picked up a no-decision, as the Nationals fell, 7-5, in the 11th after rallying from two down in the ninth and three down in the 10th.

Giants: Zito technically didn't record a "quality start" when he faced Washington on June 8, but he still recorded a victory on a sweltering afternoon, interrupting his season-opening skid of nine loss in 10 decisions. Zito worked five innings that day, surrendering three runs and seven hits while walking four and striking out two. Zito trailed 3-0 in that game before the Giants rallied for four runs in the fifth.

Wednesday, July 23 AT&T Park | 7:15 PM PT

Collin Balester, RHP (1-2, 5.87) Nationals (38-61) @ Kevin Correia, RHP (1-5, 5.81) Giants (40-58)

Scouting Report:

Nationals: Balester found the going rough in his third career outing, lasting just 4 2/3 innings and surrendering six runs, though just four were earned. The young right-hander struggled to keep runners off the basepaths against Houston, allowing 11 hits over his short outing. He exited in the fifth with the bases loaded, but Jesus Colome struck out Miguel Tejada to end the inning.

Giants: Correia has had a long time to contemplate what he called one of his worst outings in a long time. He yielded seven runs and nine hits in 3 2/3 innings on July 12 at Chicago. Correia confessed that he didn't feel right from the game's first pitch, and it showed. "When I've had my chances to turn an outing into a good one, I'm not making the pitches," Correia said after facing the Cubs. He owns a 1-1 record with a 2.55 ERA in eight career appearances against Washington.

Thursday, July 24 AT&T Park | 12:45 PM PT

Tim Redding, RHP (7-4, 4.17) Nationals (38-61)@ Matt Cain, RHP (5-8, 4.08)
Giants (40-58)

Scouting Report:

Nationals: Redding was chased after allowing six runs on six hits in four innings Friday against the Braves, taking his first loss since May 9. Since then, the right-hander had nine no-decisions and a win, when he tossed six scoreless innings against the Astros on July 10 in his final start before the All-Star break. He said he wasn't rusty Friday, and threw a bullpen session earlier in the week to prepare for the start. His command with his fastball was good, but he missed his location with two offspeed pitches that cost him five runs. Redding is 0-4 with a 6.49 ERA in seven career games (five starts) against the Giants.

Giants: Cain pitched capably in his previous start -- six innings, three earned runs -- but he walked as many (five) as he struck out. Through the season, the righty's problems have revolved around his control. He's walked at least three batters in his past four starts and occasionally struggles keeping the ball down in the zone. Because of his location issues, Cain needed 110 pitches in his last outing -- nearly 20 per inning.


The Bear is hoping for 2 out of 3! :beerbang:

[Bear]

Giants win 6-3 over the Nationals. Molina goes for 2 HR's and Lewis 1 HR! Zito gets his 5th win and is now 5-12.


ZITO WINS!

[McCovey]

That's two straight wins for Zito! Holy crap! :eek:

[Bear]

That's two straight wins for Zito! Holy crap! :eek:

Zito is going for the Cy Old award! :rotf:

[Bear]

The Bear is off to go see Cain complete the sweep. Who knows, but it is possible.:eek::rolleyes::sweep::yes:

[SF Kid]

Niiiiiice. The Bear jinxes the Giants. Jesus H. Christ.

Dummy. :smack:

[Swede]

Omar.......He gets the word about "grab some pine, Meat" and all of a sudden he is producing. This may make him more marketable if he is swinging the bat better.

Let's hope we give Cain 5 runs to play with. Go G-men!

[McCovey]

Yo, the Giants finally scored a run for Matt Cain in the 8th inning! Hopefully, Cain gets the complete game shutout! Go Matt go!! :beerbang:

[McCovey]

Yes, the Giants win 1-0! Cain gets the complete game four-hit shutout! I'm glad Bochy left Cain in the game after Cain allowed a single and a double with one out. The kid showed some mental toughness working out of that jam. :beerbang:

[giants rule]

nothing like waking up to a giants game...

[SF Kid]

Matt Cain is a fucking god. In spite of the Bear's attempts to jinx him he IS the king of the pitching staff.

Long live the Matt Cain era! :woot:

[McCovey]

Oh and Sunday is Matt Cain Bobblehead Day. :yes:

[Bear]

One of the five best games I have seen in the last 3 years. Cain pitched very well indeed. No only did he have mental toughness he also kept his pitched count down. His control was good today also as he seldom threw a pitch over 92 MPH. And when he had a bad call he did not let it get to him. It is like a new Cain, and I like this one!! :clap::beerbang::sweep::yes:

[Bear]

Matt Cain is a fucking god. In spite of the Bear's attempts to jinx him he IS the king of the pitching staff.

Long live the Matt Cain era! :woot:


This is pure BS. It stinks so bad from Seattle to San Francisco.:eek::lame::thumbdown:

[SF Kid]

This is pure BS. It stinks so bad from Seattle to San Francisco.:eek::lame::thumbdown:You're full of it. In the end Cain will be the better pitcher. Wait and see.

Sorry to burst your Lincecum bubble.

[Bear]

You're full of it. In the end Cain will be the better pitcher. Wait and see.

Sorry to burst your Lincecum bubble.

When Big Tim wins the Cy Young this year you will be singing a different tune Kid!:beerbang::buttkick::yes:

[SF Kid]

He's not winning the Cy Young.

More pipe dreams.

And why do you call that skinny little guy "Big? Bwahahahahaha. He's a wimp.

[McCovey]

He's not winning the Cy Young.

More pipe dreams.

And why do you call that skinny little guy "Big? Bwahahahahaha. He's a wimp.
I think if Lincecum can win 20 games, lead the league in strikeouts, and keep his ERA in the 2.60-2.70 range he has a great shot to win the CY Young Award. but he didn't look good in his last start.

[SF Kid]

Duplicating his first half numbers on THIS team is almost impossible.

Let's face it he's not THAT good.

[Bear]

Duplicating his first half numbers on THIS team is almost impossible.

Let's face it he's not THAT good.



:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:

[SF Kid]

:blah::blah::blah::blah::blah::blah:Truth hurts. You know in the end Cain will be the better pitcher for the Giants. I don't see Linecum holding up at this level. Deal with it.

[Bear]

Truth hurts. You know in the end Cain will be the better pitcher for the Giants. I don't see Linecum holding up at this level. Deal with it.

Talk is cheap. I hope we live long enough to see the outcome of this debate. My guess is we will because BIG Tim is so much better its not close.:p

[SF Kid]

Keep dancing with your man love for Lincecum. Sad but the flimsy ass kid won't make a big mark in the majors. He'll break down sooner than any of us want to believe. Matt Cain IS the future of the Giants pitching staff. You're just going to have to accept and live with that fact.

BTW, your avatars generally SUCK. Negative REP.

[Bear]

BTW, your avatars generally SUCK. Negative REP.

Your avatar is butt ugly, and you are so OTL you don't even know we don't have REP!:pound:

[Swede]

I think Cain was left out there so the Giants can show the rest of the league what he is capable of. Trade bait....... we will see.

[Bear]

I think Cain was left out there so the Giants can show the rest of the league what he is capable of. Trade bait....... we will see.

I think you maybe right and he looked great by the way! I have seen him pitch often, and he has never looked better.:D

[McCovey]

Trading Cain would be complete stupidity on Sabean's part. :mad: I would never support such a trade. Cain is one of the Giants key building blocks for a future championship team.

[McCovey]

Keep dancing with your man love for Lincecum. Sad but the flimsy ass kid won't make a big mark in the majors. He'll break down sooner than any of us want to believe. Matt Cain IS the future of the Giants pitching staff. You're just going to have to accept and live with that fact.

BTW, your avatars generally SUCK. Negative REP.
Come on guys this doesn't have to be an either/or. We can love BOTH Cain and Lincecum. Obviously, Lincecum is having a wonderful year. And Cain is capable of pitching at the level that Lincecum has this year. If fact Cain has had long stretches he where he has. Form what I read about Lincecum's unique pitching motion puts very little stress on his arm and shoulder. Biomechanical experts who study such things had stated as such.

[Bear]

Come on guys this doesn't have to be an either/or. We can love BOTH Cain and Lincecum. Obviously, Lincecum is having a wonderful year. And Cain is capable of pitching at the level that Lincecum has this year. If fact Cain has had long stretches he where he has. Form what I read about Lincecum's unique pitching motion puts very little stress on his arm and shoulder. Biomechanical experts who study such things had stated as such.

It is not an either/or deal. It is a great problem to have two great pitchers to choose from and I am sure other teams would like the same problem. However if I had to choose it would be Tim every time. Also I don't want to trade Cain but if a team offered me two young position super stars I would listen and so would any GM worth his salt

[McCovey]

I doubt any team offer two young position superstars for Matt Cain. They may offer one superstar but not two.

[Bear]

I doubt any team offer two young position superstars for Matt Cain. They may offer one superstar but not two.

Well than depending on who that is you would have to listen.

[SF Kid]

It is not an either/or deal. It is a great problem to have two great pitchers to choose from and I am sure other teams would like the same problem. But it is YOU who want to put Cain in relief (or trade him) as some sort of knee jerk reaction to him not being in the Cy Young race. Get a grip. :p

[Bear]

This is my original Statement! :clap:

It is not an either/or deal. It is a great problem to have two great pitchers to choose from and I am sure other teams would like the same problem. However if I had to choose it would be Tim every time. Also I don't want to trade Cain but if a team offered me two young position super stars I would listen and so would any GM worth his salt

This is how the Kid Quoted my Statement.:eek::shakehead::puke:

Originally Posted by Bear
It is not an either/or deal. It is a great problem to have two great pitchers to choose from and I am sure other teams would like the same problem.


This is the Kid's dumb ass reply. :eek::eek::bugeye::bugeye::eek::eek:


But it is YOU who want to put Cain in relief (or trade him) as some sort of knee jerk reaction to him not being in the Cy Young race. Get a grip. :p

It seems you left out parts of my statement to suit your case which is just plain stupid! IMO Cain is not as good as Big Tim! If I was offered a Super Star position player who fit the Giants needs I would trade Cain in a second. Short of that he makes a fine #3 starter in the Giants rotation. :cool::yes::clap:

[SF Kid]

If I was offered a Super Star position player who fit the Giants needs I would trade Cain in a second. Short of that he makes a fine #3 starter in the Giants rotation.And then you'd complain for months that the Giants need a young arm and have no pitching. Where you gonna get a young talent after you piss away one like Cain? Maybe off an apple tree? No, this kind of talent doesn't grow on trees... Dumb.

[Bear]

And then you'd complain for months that the Giants need a young arm and have no pitching. Where you gonna get a young talent after you piss away one like Cain? Maybe off an apple tree? No, this kind of talent doesn't grow on trees... Dumb.

Neither do Super Star Position Players! He is a solid #3 and if the right trade comes along I would do it. If not you still have a #3 for your rotation. What's so hard to understand?:shakehead:

[SF Kid]

#3... :banghead:

[Bear]

#3... :banghead:

And he is lucky to be #3 with Big Tim #1 and Jonathan Sanchez #2!:yes:

[SF Kid]

:banghead:

Out of touch much?

[SF Kid]

Another flaw in the Bears coaching and player evaluation process...

Sanchez who the Bear THINKS is a #2 pitcher was just lit up for another 5 ERs...Yeah trade Cain and leave the pitching staff with one guy they can count on in the starting rotation. Smart. Very smart.

[SF Kid]

Make that 6 ER in 2 2/3 innings... ugh.

• Lincecum
• Cain
• Sanchez
• ?????

Seems it always something with our Giants -- either bad pitching or bad hitting or both. Damn it.

[Bear]

Another flaw in the Bears coaching and player evaluation process...

Sanchez who the Bear THINKS is a #2 pitcher was just lit up for another 5 ERs...Yeah trade Cain and leave the pitching staff with one guy they can count on in the starting rotation. Smart. Very smart.

We will see who has the better record at the end of the season. It will be Sanchez over Cain!:rolleyes:

[SF Kid]

:rolleyes: You got that right.