2008 NL Cy Young Award Tracker

[McCovey]

I thought we can track the leading contenders for the 2008 National League Cy Young Award. Come on Timmy!! :beerbang:


Name GS IP W/L ERA ERA+ WHIP Ks BB CG SHO
TIM LINCECUM 10 76.0 7-1 2.33 195 1.29 76 28 0 0
Brandon Webb 11 74.7 9-2 3.01 148 1.09 64 20 1 0
C. Zambrano 11 73.0 7-1 2.47 180 1.18 52 20 0 0
Tim Hudson 12 69.7 7-3 2.97 136 1.05 42 15 1 1
Aaron Cook 11 76.7 7-3 2.82 162 1.20 35 22 1 0
Ryan Dempster 11 70.3 6-2 2.56 173 1.10 56 29 0 0
E. Voloquez 11 62.0 7-2 1.31 339 1.21 76 33 0 0

[Bear]

At this point he is looking very good.

[SF Kid]

Wouldn't that be great to have Cy Young winner on a 95 loss ball club? Probably never happen.

[McCovey]

Wouldn't that be great to have Cy Young winner on a 95 loss ball club? Probably never happen.
Do you remember Steve Carlton's 1972 season? He was 27-10, 1.97 ERA, 30 CG, 8 SHO for a Phillies team that won just 59 games. :eek:

[Bear]

Do you remember Steve Carlton's 1972 season? He was 27-10, 1.97 ERA, 30 CG, 8 SHO for a Phillies team that won just 59 games. :eek:


Yes I do, and Tim Lincecum has the best chance to be a pitcher of the same quality as Carlton that has come along in a very long time for the Giants, and that goes back to earlier days than 1972. :bugeye::beerbang:

[McCovey]

I still can't believe that Giants have had just one stinkin' Cy Young Award winner in 50 years in San Francisco. :rolleyes: Hopefully Lincecum and Cain can't change that real quick. :yes: And the Giants have a some serious pitching prospects in the minors. Check out the Top 30 prospect tomorrow when I'll be adding some scouting reports on them

[McCovey]

Ok, as of 06/08/08. That Volquez kid is unreal. A 1.32 ERA? :eek:


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
E. Volquez 12 75.0 49 15 11 38 91 8 2 1.32 1.16
Tim Lincecum 12 83.2 70 24 20 32 83 8 1 2.15 1.22
Brandon Webb 13 90.2 71 32 26 20 75 11 2 2.58 1.00
Ben Sheets 12 82.1 72 25 24 15 63 6 1 2.62 1.06
Tim Hudson 14 91.1 81 32 29 23 54 7 4 2.86 1.14
Ryan Dempster 13 80.2 56 33 26 35 64 7 2 2.90 1.13
T. Wellemeyer 13 80.0 65 28 26 25 62 7 1 2.93 1.13
C. Zambrano 14 92.2 90 32 31 29 63 8 2 3.01 1.28
Johan Santana 13 87.2 85 33 30 21 76 7 4 3.08 1.21
A. Wainwright 13 91.2 80 35 32 20 62 6 3 3.14 1.09

[SF Kid]

Wow that Volquez is smoking.

Timmy ain't so bad himself.

[McCovey]

Wow that Volquez is smoking.

Timmy ain't so bad himself.
Volquez has to come back to reality eventually. Or is he going to end up with the lowest ERA since Bob Gibson's 1.12 back in '68?

[SF Kid]

Probably not.

He's no Bob Gibson.

[Bear]

Probably not.

He's no Bob Gibson.

Now how do you know that? He maybe better. My guess is you have never seen him pitch.:nono:

[SF Kid]

My guess is you should STFU. :chuckle:


:ban_bear:

[Bear]

Just as I thought!

[McCovey]

Ok, it's time for an update. I dropped some pitchers.


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
E. Volquez 15 95.0 66 23 18 45 110 10 2 1.71 1.17
Tim Lincecum 15 102.2 88 33 29 10 113 8 1 2.54 1.25
Ben Sheets 15 104.1 87 31 30 21 84 9 1 2.59 1.04
Ryan Dempster 16 102.2 76 37 30 38 85 9 2 2.63 1.11
Johan Santana 16 107.2 103 43 35 28 95 7 6 2.93 1.22
Tim Hudson 17 109.1 98 39 36 60 64 7 5 2.96 1.17
C. Zambrano 16 106.6 105 39 37 36 68 8 3 3.13 1.33
Brandon Webb 16 106.0 92 47 38 26 86 11 4 3.23 1.12

Right now Volquez is clearly the favorite. He's having a phenomenal season. :beerbang:

[McCovey]

Stats through 06/29/08.


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
E. Volquez 16 99.1 72 30 23 48 110 10 3 2.08 1.21
Tim Lincecum 16 109.2 93 33 29 43 114 9 1 2.38 1.24
Ben Sheets 15 104.1 87 31 30 21 84 9 1 2.59 1.04
Jair Jurrjens 16 98.0 92 38 32 37 69 8 3 2.94 1.32
Johan Santana 17 113.2 107 46 38 32 103 7 7 3.01 1.22
Dan Haren 16 103.2 83 38 35 17 89 8 4 3.04 0.96
C. Zambrano 16 106.6 105 39 37 36 68 8 3 3.13 1.33
Brandon Webb 16 106.0 92 47 38 26 86 11 4 3.23 1.12
Ryan Dempster 17 105.0 83 45 38 41 86 9 3 3.26 1.18

[McCovey]

OK, here are the stats at the All star break!


2008 National League Cy Young Award Tracker


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
E. Volquez 20 117.2 90 38 30 56 126 12 3 2.29 1.24
Tim Lincecum 20 129.2 115 41 27 47 135 11 2 2.57 1.25
Dan Haren 19 125.2 98 43 38 22 112 8 5 2.72 0.95
Johan Santana 19 126.2 116 48 40 35 114 8 7 2.84 1.19
C. Zambrano 18 120.1 110 40 38 38 78 10 3 2.84 1.23
Ben Sheets 18 123.0 109 40 39 28 108 10 3 2.85 1.11
Jair Jurrjens 18 111.1 105 43 33 41 81 9 4 3.00 1.32
Tim Hudson 21 129.1 113 48 45 38 77 9 7 3.13 1.17
Brandon Webb 20 131.0 119 56 47 33 112 13 4 3.23 1.16
Dan Haren is really having a fantastic season. Check out that K/BB ratio, WHIP, and his hits allowed. But his 8-5 record is relatively poor. That may cost him a Cy Young Award.

[SF Kid]

It would be cool if Linecum could win the Cy Young. It's going to be tough though playing on this team. He has to come close to duplicating the first half run and then there is the problem with him being on a losing team. It's been done before though.

[McCovey]

It would be cool if Linecum could win the Cy Young. It's going to be tough though playing on this team. He has to come close to duplicating the first half run and then there is the problem with him being on a losing team. It's been done before though.
Unlike the MVP Award, the voters don't care about about how good or bad a pitcher's team is. In fact if a pitcher is on a bad team and has a great year that helps the pitcher because the voters will perceive that the pitcher had to be even better just to overcome the bad team. Look at Steve Carlton in 1972. He goes 27-10 for a team that won just 59 games. For Lincecum to win the '08 Cy Young he'll have to duplicate his first half. But there are several contenders this season so it's going to a battle for the Cy Young Award.

[SF Kid]

Good points Mac.

[McCovey]

Ok it's time for an update.


2008 National League Cy Young Award Tracker


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
Jake Peavy 19 121.2 103 36 35 33 122 8 7 2.59 1.12
Tim Lincecum 22 149.2 131 49 45 54 167 11 3 2.71 1.24
Dan Haren 23 153.2 126 52 47 24 142 12 5 2.75 0.98
C. Zambrano 22 146.2 130 48 45 47 98 12 4 2.76 1.21
Johan Santana 23 154.0 139 57 49 41 128 9 7 2.86 1.17
Brandon Webb 24 163.0 144 62 52 39 134 16 4 2.93 1.13
Ryan Dempster 24 150.1 115 56 49 59 133 12 5 2.93 1.15
E. Volquez 23 138.0 120 57 45 63 141 13 5 2.93 1.33
C Billingsley 23 143.2 124 53 48 56 151 11 9 3.01 1.25
Jair Jurrjens 22 138.1 132 55 48 49 97 10 7 3.12 1.32

Cy Young Award voters as so infatuated with wins that Webb is the favorite here. :rolleyes:

[McCovey]

Just an FYI. Lincecum is on pace for 239 strikeouts. The S.F. Giants record is 251 Ks by Jason Schmidt in 2004 and the all-time franchise record is 267 Ks by Christy Mathewson in 1903.

[SF Kid]

Lincecum's Cy Young chances are fading. It's very unlikely he'll back up his first half with like numbers down the stretch. The team just isn't good enough and like you mentioned Mac, in the end somebody with 20 wins and an ERA of 3 will win the thing. That's just the way it is. Seems Giant players are usually a day late and a dollar short one way or the other.

[McCovey]

Lincecum's Cy Young chances are fading. It's very unlikely he'll back up his first half with like numbers down the stretch. The team just isn't good enough and like you mentioned Mac, in the end somebody with 20 wins and an ERA of 3 will win the thing. That's just the way it is. Seems Giant players are usually a day late and a dollar short one way or the other.
I'm sure Brandon Webb will win simple because he may be the only 20 game winner in the NL. He may end up with like 23-24 wins.

[Bear]

Oh Ye of little faith!:nono:

[McCovey]

Wow Lincecum was sharp today, 8 IP, 8 Ks, 4 BB, 5 H, 2 ER and he got the win (Giants won 3-2).

[SF Kid]

Giants are kind of on a roll these days.

.500 in the last 10 games. For them that is a roll.

[McCovey]

Giants are kind of on a roll these days.

.500 in the last 10 games. For them that is a roll.
It's like the Giants are the '27 Yankees all of a sudden! :pound:

[McCovey]

So now Lincecum is on pace for 249 Ks. Like I said before, the SF record is 251 Ks by Jason Schmidt and the franchise record is 267 Ks by Christy Mathewson. I think Lincecum has the kind of stuff to get 300 Ks in a season in the near future.

[Bear]

So now Lincecum is on pace for 249 Ks. Like I said before, the SF record is 251 Ks by Jason Schmidt and the franchise record is 267 Ks by Christy Mathewson. I think Lincecum has the kind of stiff to get 300 Ks in a season in the near future.

I wish I was as sure of the Giants winning the WS in my lifetime as I am about that. I am in total agreement!;)

[McCovey]

Here is the newest tracker. To be honest we all know it's down to between Timmy and Brandon Webb.


2008 National League Cy Young Award Tracker


PLAYER GS IP H R ER BB SO W L ERA WHIP
Tim Lincecum 27 185.1 149 55 50 70 210 15 3 2.43 1.18
Brandon Webb 28 188.2 166 71 62 41 157 19 5 2.96 1.12

[SF Kid]

To me Lincecum should get it if he gets to 18-19 wins and keeps that ERA down.

Great season to be sure -- especially on this team.

[McCovey]

To me Lincecum should get it if he gets to 18-19 wins and keeps that ERA down.

Great season to be sure -- especially on this team.
If Lincecum can close the gap to say 2-3 wins he'll get the CYA. It would help out a lot if Webb lost his next two games :D. We still have a month left in the season so anything can happen.

[McCovey]

Yes, Webb got hammered by the Dodgers tonight!!! :yes: He lasted just 3.1 innings and allowed 8 runs (6 ER)! He is now 19-6 with a 3.19 ERA. The door is opening for Lincecum!

[SF Kid]

Yeah it was great to see Webb get his ass kicked lasted night. Should help our boy Lincecum.

Yep the door is open...now the question is can Lincecum walk though it or will he step on his dick down the stretch?

[McCovey]

Rats, Big Timmy kind of got hit hard by the Rockies today. :o He was cruising for three innings with zero runs and one hit then, presto, the Rockies get five runs in the 4th. The Giants tied the game and eventually lost in the 12th inning but Timmy's ERA goes up to 2.60. I hope this game didn't lose the Cy Young Award for Timmy. :(

[SF Kid]

Could very well be the nail in the coffin for Lincecum. He was bound to have a bad outing down the stretch. Oh well it's one season. He'll win this thing sooner or later.

Would be nice if the Giants can come up with a nice supporting cast in say the next 10 years. http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/233856-91934-crazy-old-man_tiny.gif

[Bear]

Webb is hammered today giving up 7 ER's against LA. He also takes the loss.



Go Big Tim!!

[SF Kid]

Isn't that two terrible outings in a row for Webb? Lincecum didn't help himself with a stinker of his out last time out.

[McCovey]

Big Timmy had another great outing! He pitched 8.1 IP, 1 ER, 9 K, 2 BB, 7 H. He's now 16-3 W-L, 2.49 ERA, 225 Ks! If Big Timmy can finish out September strong the Cy Young Award is his!

[Bear]

Big Timmy had another great outing! He pitched 8.1 IP, 1 ER, 9 K, 2 BB, 7 H. He's now 16-3 W-L, 2.49 ERA, 225 Ks! If Big Timmy can finish out September strong the Cy Young Award is his!

He has 3 more starts at best so lets hope. He looked great last night as well as the rest of the team. It was a nice win.:beerbang:

[McCovey]

Lincecum's three remaining starts.

Sat, Sept. 13 @ San Diego
Wed, Sept. 18 @ Arizona
Wed, Sep. 24 Colorado


If Lincecum has 19 wins after his Sept. 24 start I wonder if the Giants would bring him back on three days rest for the season finale on Sept. 28 at home against the Dodgers? Also, the Dodgers may be fighting for the NL West title as well.

[SF Kid]

Hey why not? Or bring him in to relive if he might get a win! :D

[SF Kid]

Here is an article from Fox Sports on Tim Lincecum's Cy Young opportuinty...

Lincecum rising on Cy Young short list

by Tracy Ringolsby, Special to FOXSports.com


Updated: September 11, 2008, 2:02 PM EST 20

Lincecum keeps defying odds, proving he is the exception to that rule about sub-6-foot right-handers, and establishing himself as one of the most dominating pitchers in the game.

Lingering on the edge of the voting debate is Milwaukee lefthander CC Sabathia.

A month ago, Webb seemed poised to challenge the 25-win total, a level no big-league pitcher has reached since Bob Welch won 27 games with the 1990 Oakland A's. Next thing he knew, he was battling to win 20.

Webb goes into Friday not having merely failed in his first three attempts to No. 20, but having been battered. Included were two losses to the Dodgers, which helped Los Angeles move ahead of the Diamondbacks in the NL West.

He's given up 19 earned runs in 13 2/3 innings. He's allowed 22 hits and walked 12. His ERA has risen from 2.74 to 3.41. And there are growing concerns about a residual effect from Webb taking a line drive off the bat of San Diego third baseman Kevin Kouzmanoff in the chest on Aug. 21, when he won No. 19.

Webb says he feels fine, but scouts question that. They say he appears hesitant to finish off his pitches, keeping the sinker from sinking.

Lincecum, meanwhile, just keeps on winning for a team that struggles to win. He is 16-3 for a team that went into Thursday 65-80, and in six of his 10 no-decisions he allowed two earned runs or fewer. His 16 wins -- one more than Sabathia's combined total with Cleveland and Milwaukee -- are tied for fifth in the majors. His 2.54 ERA leads the National League. His 225 strikeouts -- in 191 1/3 innings -- lead the majors.

It all puts Lincecum in position to join an exclusive club -- pitchers who were 13 games better than .500 on a team that was at least 13 games below .500, according to the Elias News Bureaus. Steve Carlton won the NL Cy Young when he went 27-10 for the 1972 Phillies (59-97). The other two were pre-Cy Young Award days -- Eddie Rommell, 27-13, with the 1922 Athletics (65-89) and Dazzy Vance, 22-9, for the 1925 Brooklyn Dodgers (68-85).

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8545262/Lincecum-rising-on-Cy-Young-short-list

[Bear]

If BIG Tim does not win the Cy Young after tonight's complete game shutout a 7-0 win over the Pads there is no justice. 12K's and he was great.:beerbang:

[robbnen]

Yeah, baby. The FREAK gets the Cy. No question.

[McCovey]

If BIG Tim does not win the Cy Young after tonight's complete game shutout a 7-0 win over the Pads there is no justice. 12K's and he was great.:beerbang:
Timmy just clinched the CYA. You're right Bear, it he doesn't win it, if would be a complete travesty. :rolleyes:

[McCovey]

Interesting...


Fire Away

by Gary Huckabay
September 14, 2008

Tim Lincecum threw 138 pitches against San Diego last night.

Let me make this as clear as I possibly can.

That is utterly, completely, and colossally reckless, stupid, arrogant, and just plain lazy. Send in all the nasty emails calling me a geek who’s never played you like. Feel free to point out that Lincecum’s “just different”,”rubber armed”, or a “freak of nature”. It’s still mind-blowingly stupid, risky behavior. A couple of undeniable facts:

(1) People I respect have told me “Lincecum’s just different.” Perhaps. But the truth of the matter is that you don’t know that. No one can tell me they know, with any reasonable degree of certainty, that Lincecum can stand up to mindless, pointless abuse better than anyone else. He might be less capable of doing so. We just don’t know.

(2) The gain for the Giants having Lincecum throw those extra pitches last night was zilch. Perhaps less. The Giants were 15 games under .500 going into last night. If they win out, they could end up .500. Those pitches could have been thrown by Carol Channing for all the real world value they had. For that matter, one of the kids could have been thrown out there and perhaps learned something.

So why take *any*risk under the circumstances? So Lincecum could have a shutout for the CY race? Seriously? That outweighs the strategic risk of exposing your only potential franchise cornerstone to injury that could instantly destroy his ability to perform at an elite level?

If Giants fans wonder why their team is in such dismal shape, last night was a microcosm of it. This organization hasn’t shown any ability to look past a single game, much less past a season and towards, say, potential stability and success. Last night wasn’t even a joke. It was a farce.

To those of you who will feel compelled to write in and say “Tim didn’t want to come out,” my response is pretty simple…My four year old wants to eat a bunch of ice cream too. It’s kind of my job to make sure he doesn’t. And it’s kind of Bochy’s, Sabean’s, Baer’s, and the entire occupancy of the Giants front office’s job to keep completely moronic things from happening.

Clearly, they’re not up to the task.

[Bear]

Interesting...

He has a right to his opinion. I disagree but thats just the Bear.:rolleyes:

[McCovey]

At this point I'm really not sure what to make of the all the debate of young pitchers throwing lots of pitches. Now I do agree with Huckabay about not knowing whether Lincecum can take the workload he's been pitching, year-in and year-out. But that is an unknown for any pitcher. I've read many articles about Lincecum being "different" or "rubber-armed". However, no one has ever actually shown any evidence that he is other than he hasn't broken down yet. And not all pitchers suffer serious injury from high workloads in their formative years. Many simply lose effectiveness as they get older. A classic example is Barry Zito. Zito doesn't have "mechanics" issues. He's simply a 30 year old pitcher that had great success in his mid 20s, pitched a lot of innings and now his arm had deteriorated. The Zito of 2002 is long gone, never to return. The same thing happened to Dwight Gooden. Now, that doesn't prove that it will happen to Lincecum of course. What kind of pitcher will Lincecum be at say age 28-30? Only time will tell.

[SF Kid]

F••k Tracy Ringolsby.

In my opinion this is what is wrong with baseball. These guys making million with 4.85 era pitching every five days and going 5-6 innings max. BS. :tantrum:

Besides .... :ban_bear:

[McCovey]

Tracy Ringolsby? :shrug:

[McCovey]

I may be going to Lincecum's final start of the season on September 24th! :beerbang: I should know by tomorrow.

[Bear]

I may be going to Lincecum's final start of the season on September 24th! :beerbang: I should know by tomorrow.

I will be there!
:beerbang:

[McCovey]

Plans have changed. I heard Bruce Boche on the the Giants pregame show and he said he was going to move up Lincecum to September 23 so he can also pitch the season finale on September 28 against the Dodgers. So, now I may go the season finale! This move was obviously done to give Lincecum a shot at 20 wins. But he lost tonight 3-2 so there goes his shot at 20 wins. :bugeye:

[McCovey]

I just found out today that at the moment Lincecum leads the majors in the # of pitches thrown. Wow. Matt Cain is 4th.

[robbnen]

Player W L ERA PCT. BB K WHIP OSLG OBA

Webb 22-7, 3.24, 63, 176, 1.20, .333. .301

Lincecum 17-4, 2.46, 77, 243, 1.15, .312, .294

Sure looks to me like Lincecum ought to get the Cy Young in the NL.:beerbang:

[SF Kid]

If the voters can get past the win totals it wold seem a no-brainer.

[Bear]

Player W L ERA PCT. BB K WHIP OSLG OBA

Webb 22-7, 3.24, 63, 176, 1.20, .333. .301

Lincecum 17-4, 2.46, 77, 243, 1.15, .312, .294

Sure looks to me like Lincecum ought to get the Cy Young in the NL.:beerbang:

What ought to happen and what will happen are not always the same. The first thing you have to learn in life is things are not fair. You can be a nice guy just do not let that get in the way when you compete because if you do that nice guy will never win!:eek:

[McCovey]

Lincecum really needs to get to 19 wins to really force the voters to look at him. Webb already has 22 wins and has one more start. Lincecum has two more starts, today and the season finale on Sunday.

[Bear]

Not winning the last game he pitcher may have been the fatal blow. I know it was not his fault but that is how this award is won and lost.:shakehead:

[McCovey]

Not winning the last game he pitcher may have been the fatal blow. I know it was not his fault but that is how this award is won and lost.:shakehead:
That's true! But I just cannot believe the idiocy that Webb will win the CYA simply because he has more wins than Lincecum! :banghead: :lame:

[Bear]

That's true! But I just cannot believe the idiocy that Webb will win the CYA simply because he has more wins than Lincecum! :banghead: :lame:


That's life in the real world!:(

[McCovey]

From Buster Onley....


Tuesday, September 23, 2008
Cy Young within Lincecum's reach

The baseball world is fascinated by the delivery of Tim Lincecum, who will go to the mound tonight looking to drive a girder into his Cy Young candidacy. When he was in New York for the All-Star Game festivities in July, he said over the phone the other day, Edinson Volquez and Ryan Dempster sat near him in the National League clubhouse and asked him, "How do you throw like that?" Two months later, Lincecum has a question for Dempster, in turn. "I like watching that funky thing he does with his glove," said Lincecum. Dempster waggles his glove at the outset of his delivery, which helps him to mask the identity of the next pitch he is going to throw.

There has been a lot of conversation in the last month about Lincecum's inning and pitch counts, and how Giants manager Bruce Bochy is seemingly working to give the right-hander a chance to win the NL Cy Young Award. Bochy has never spoken to Lincecum about this. He didn't talk to him earlier this month in San Diego about leaving Lincecum in a game to throw 138 pitches and complete a shutout. Bochy just asks him, start to start and inning to inning, about how he's feeling, or he asks pitching coach Dave Righetti to do so. "I just give them a thumbs-up," said Lincecum. "I only think about the Cy Young Award because it's getting brought up to me. If it happens, that'd be great. I'd love to be one of the elite, one of the few who've won the award. It'd be something nice to have, something that would be fun to be a part of. But the ultimate goal is to not win the Cy Young Award, but give my team a chance to win."

Lincecum is aiming for an award that Juan Marichal could not win (http://www.mercurynews.com/sportsheadlines/ci_10532900?nclick_check=1), writes Andrew Baggarly. There's a nice scene in here in which Lincecum tries to copy the delivery of Marichal. Lincecum has grown into a Cy Young contender (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/23/SP1N132LS8.DTL), writes Henry Schulman.

• Brandon Webb continues to strengthen his own Cy Young Award candidacy -- he has 22 wins, by far the most in the NL, and more importantly, the D-backs have drawn to within two games of the Dodgers (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2008/09/22/20080922dbacksgame-CR.html). The Arizona Republic is conducting a poll: Lincecum or Webb (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/diamondbacks/articles/2008/09/22/20080922cyvote.html)?

[Giants27]

The race is between Lincecum and Santana. Lets only hope Santana gets rocked his next strat and Timmy can face the Dodgers and beats them to lower the ERA.

[Bear]

The race is between Lincecum and Santana. Lets only hope Santana gets rocked his next strat and Timmy can face the Dodgers and beats them to lower the ERA.

Have you forgotten Webb? If he wins his next start he is a shoe in for the Award!;)

[Giants27]

Have you forgotten Webb? If he wins his next start he is a shoe in for the Award!;)

All everyone cares about is wins,jeez!

[Bear]

All everyone cares about is wins,jeez!

On this we agree but that is life!:eek:

[SF Kid]

Wins = Cy Young winner more times than not.

[McCovey]

Wins = Cy Young winner more times than not.
The most asinine example of this was the 1990 AL CYA. Bob Welch won it over Roger Clemens.

Welch
238 IP, 35 GS, 27-6 W-L, 2.95 ERA, 126 ERA+, 1.22 WHIP, 127 Ks, 77 BB, 214 H

Clemens
228 IP, 31 GS, 21-6 W-L, 1.93 ERA, 211 ERA+, 1.08 WHIP, 238 Ks, 54 BB, 193 H.

In what baseball universe is Welch the better pitcher? Welch did start four more games but he only pitched 10 more innings. That should give you a clue who went much deeper into games. There was much hype over Welch's 27 wins.

"The most wins since Steve Carlton in 1972!"

Whatever.

Now get this. Clemens finished third in the MVP voting while Welch finished 9th!:wtf1: That makes no sense. :lame:

[Bear]

I agree with you, but Bob Welch had one great year that season. He was not the best pitcher and Roger was none the less a great year for Welch!:bugeye:

[SF Kid]

Screw Clemens. Whatever happened to that scandal anyway. Is Clemens in jail? :D

[Bear]

Screw Clemens. Whatever happened to that scandal anyway. Is Clemens in jail? :D

No he is in Texas all pissed off that the Yankees did not invite him to the last game at the old stadium so he could take a bow. What a pain in the ass he is!:mad:

[SF Kid]

No he is in Texas all pissed off that the Yankees did not invite him to the last game at the old stadium so he could take a bow. What a pain in the ass he is!:mad::funnypost:

[McCovey]

Big Timmy ends the season on the high notes. He beats the dodgers 3-1 for his 18th wins with 13 Ks.

He finishes the '08 season at:

227 IP, 18-5 W-L, 2.62 ERA, 267 Ks, 84 BB, 1.17 WHIP

He should be the favorite to win the Cy Young Award! :beerbang:

[Bear]

I was at the game today and Big Tim had his A game. It was a fun afternoon and the send off for Omar was wonderful with a standing O and a curtain call. Omar seemed touched.:clap::clap::clap:

[SF Kid]

When do they vote on the Cy Young?

[McCovey]

When do they vote on the Cy Young?
The ballots are due in today

[SF Kid]

The ballots are due in todayThat skinny little Giant better win. :mad:

Saw him again last night on TV...looks like he's in the 6th grade.

[McCovey]

That skinny little Giant better win. :mad:

Saw him again last night on TV...looks like he's in the 6th grade.
A "6th grader" with a 97 mph fastball! :pound:

Mike McCormick, move on over!

[SF Kid]

I think that skinny kid is going to swear out. We'll see.

[McCovey]

I think that skinny kid is going to swear out. We'll see.
Yesterday on the KNBR I heard an interview with a CY Young Award voter form the Santa Rosa Press Democrat. KNBR's Michael Urban asked him how he decides on the CYA. It was refreshing to hear that wins were down the line in terms of importance and that Brandon Webb will definitely be his #3 choice. It was down to Lincecum and Santana ant this particular voter had it really close. He seemed to imply that if Lincecum pitched well in the season finale he would vote for him. We'll see if Timmy pitched well enough.

[SF Kid]

I think he did pitch well enough. If the votes can look past the "wins"...Tim is a clear winner IMO.

[SF Kid]

When are they going to announce the winner of the Cy Young?

[Bear]

When are they going to announce the winner of the Cy Young?


November 11th 2008!:p

[SF Kid]

Really?

[Bear]

Really?

The Bear knows all! November 11, 2008 is the day!;)

[SF Kid]

Why do we have to wait until then. Isn't the voting done?

[McCovey]

Why do we have to wait until then. Isn't the voting done?
They've always done it that way.

[SF Kid]

Well, I never cared before. :gripe:

[McCovey]

Well, I never cared before. :gripe:
Not since 1967, huh? :p

[SF Kid]

Yeah. Been a while.

[McCovey]

A San Francisco Giants' pitcher winning the Cy Yong Award would be wonderful news! :beerbang:

[Bear]

A San Francisco Giants' pitcher winning the Cy Yong Award would be wonderful news! :beerbang:

Just do not get your hopes to high! I agree Big Tim should win but than again Bill King should be in the Hall. What is right does not alway happen.

[McCovey]

What?! Bill King is not in the Hall of Fame?! :mad: That's just crap! Bill King is a Bay Area sports icon.

[jandajuice]

lincecum won yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Bear]

lincecum won yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Great news!:beerbang: